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be like to have a street similar to denmark. i think the way they really do that is these protected cycle tracks and infrastructure, and i'm really hoping we can move these kinds of things forward and really make people feel safe to ride a bike. there are times when it is simply not practical for me to ride a bike, like when i'm dressed like this. right now i don't have one of those great dutch bikes yet, but i mean to get one. and i'm crammed into an enjuta during rush-hour, and i'm looking at these people who aren't wearing this, and i'm thinking, why aren't you biking? i encourage you to ask those questions. and i think about the relief that having more people biking would be on our system, on our transit system. i guarantee if we get out here at 5:00, i'll be waiting for an end that gets to van nuys that will have space for me to get on. i think about all of that capacity and strain on our
system from people not being on bikes. i want to have you folks think about that the additional benefit that wasn't mentioned was that for every bike, there is more parking spaces that are out there. there is also more seats on traffic for people who can't take transit. there is an additional benefit that wasn't even discussed today. so i really do think that we're heading in the right direction. i think that as i'm -- as long as i'm a member of this board, i'll be pushing as hard as i can, and ready to do whatever the community would. however we could move those goals forward to get to that 2020 ratio that so many people would like to see happen. i really love the reemphasizing good behavior thing. i think that is brilliant, and i cant wai cant wait to see that implemented. when i'm out there on my bike, i feel like the
status quo really is to sort of roll through stop signs, unfortunately in some places, like along the wiggle, for example, and that if we do reward the positive behavior, we do change -- we can change that behavior. i would like to put the call out to some of the more artsie types, the call for the better bike rack. i think if you go to denmark and all of the other countries in the netnetherland, they love design. that's why all of the fancy cars are so great from there, but they have yet to figure out bike racks. so let's get on them and beat them. i'm sure we have the creativity here in san francisco, and we'll be creating some sort of a bike-sharing system that will have them yearning for it. thank you so much. i look forward to doing more of this. >> thank you for the presentation.
always great working with you. at the risk of being discuffing the parish picnic, i'm far more interested in the diversion and enforcement. i like to think that all of the positive reenforcement is totally worthwhile, and it is totally worthwhile for us to keep pursuing infrastructure changes, but the behavior has got to change. maybe we're focusing on a very small group that you mentioned, but they cause an awful lot of trouble, and they cause an awful lot of reaction that is really, really negative. i am very interested in seeing how this diversion program works, and i totally agree with the suggestion that it be in the areas that is most harmful. i'm currently doing some work in the city, and i'm on the mission, and i can assure you every day at least once somebody is riding their bike very fast on those sidewalks. but there isn't a safe alternative. there is not a bike lane
on either one of those streets, and the traffic is extremely fast coming off the freeway, down mission, and the other side as well, i noticed down that way. that is something i'd like to take a look at. it is a very dense of populated office space on both sides of mission. you have the department of delta and aging services, and all of the non-profit and for-profit things on the other. and on the other side is the human service agency, lots and lots of people, and it is a very dangerous intersection. i support all of these. i think i supported leah sham. and everything that has been before this body, involving bicycle improvements. i'm interested to see this thing working, because i have a little more pessimistic view of human nature. we need the thought of being caught and punished. we have a couple of
counter-views. >> i don't know if the police department is here today, but they have been doing a lot of enforcement. it definitely gets out in social media. those of us who bike want a lot more enforcement. it is not happening everywhere, but it is happening a lot more than it used to be. >> both pieces need to be done. >> and i'll pick up on that, although i'll talk about more positive things, too. i appreciate the chart about the accidents, and i appreciate the suggestion that that is where we should be focusing, and that makes inherent sense. to pick up on tom's point, and if you want to hand out danishes to people who do well, i'm not going to stop you. but to pick up on tom's cynicism, if you're a motorist in the city, for example, and you pick up a ticket for a
non-life-threatening violation, but a violation nonetheless, a right turn and a no-right turn, you face a very stiff repercussion. you've got a points on your record, and you have to go to traffic school for eight hours. and if you do it within a certain amount of time, you're going to get another hit and you're going to have a hit on your insurance. almost all, if not every driver, in the state knows you really want to avoid a moving violation, even if it is a minor moving violation because there are severe economic and personal repercussions. my question to is you: what are the repercussions on a person on a bike who gets a ticket. you don't have an expensive insurance policy. you can't kill somebody as easily with a bike, but you can, kind of. so i guess what i'm going to get at is just to leave
it to you to answer the question for me, which is: what are the repercussions, and have we done enough to make them serious, and to educate people as to what they are? >> that's a great question. i think there is some confusion around this. first of all, for most infractions -- it's called basic moving violations, it is the same fee. so if i run a red light on my bike, versus run a red light on the car, to put it in monetary terms, for a second, a lot of people are surprised to hear that. i forget the amount personally, but i just got an "x" hundred dollar ticket for running a red light and i was on a bike. whether in a car or on a bike, you get the same infractions, for the most part. the biggies that i've heard about. so there is the monetary piece. and that is, i think, what stings people, often, the most. >> but my point is
motorists face a lot more because there is the whole insurance angle of it. which is, in many ways, the most significant stick for people to not mess up. so my question to you is to focus a little bit is, i'm glad we're making people aware they'll pay the same fine. but do we need any sort of changes with respect to licensing or mandatory insurance, or something, that will create, as tom says, even greater disincentive so people are as weary of violations as i think drivers are. >> i'm sorry, can i leap in? there are a couple of things that are concerning me right now. one is that i feel it is not fair of us to put the onus on the bike coalition to answer for or correct the bad behavior of cyclists. leah has already pointed out it is not the bike coalition members who are likely the problems, because the bike coalition nobodiemembers are the ones who
are interested in increasing biking and solving these problems. are we calling the a.a.a. in to answer for all of the bad car driver behavior? >> i'm not asking leah to apologize or to condone these people. all i'm asking is: do you think there are legislative changes we can make so people will realize the repercussions of their actions so they're less likely to do it. i apologize to cheryl and you if i sounded like you're members are rolling red lights. i'm asking is there something we can do to make enforcement more suggestive.
people on bikes get caught a lot easier than people in cars. and i don't mean to do an either/or, but we literally just heard from a police officer on market street. you're here ticketing bicycles. is there some interest in that. i didn't get stopped, but i wanted to ask what was encouraging this. i wasn't critical. he said bikes are easier to stop than people in cars. he said i literally have to give out so many tickets, and i can't catch people in cars. people on bikes do get tickets. we can get caught. so i think that is a really strong behavioral incentive to do the right thing. but it shouldn't be the only thing. i would love to be working on efforts compaigns,
where biking is legitimized, and the infrastructure and other great programs here at the m.t.a. meanwhile, when people do something disrespectful or dangerous, they are given a cost, whether it be a ticket or something more. >> and really quickly to address the bicycle licensing issue. the trick is we don't have the authority to license bicyclists. we can license their bicycles, and that has been done in davis, but the administrative costs outweighs the benefit. but having said that, we have to do something about it. and i think that the best enforcement compaigns -- right now it happens on a complaint-driven basis an at the discretion of the local stations. if we want to do something that has a big impact, we need to do something that is very public, that is coherent, that looks like -- we actually create a memo every year where we
think bicycle infractions ought to be enforced. i think it should be paired with the carrot. so the stick and the carrot are both sort of right there in people's consciousness. i will say -- i've heard from people that new bicyclists out on the road are seeing this bad behavior and mimicking it. the research from davis, new bicyclists say their number one and two fears are cars and other bicyclists. so when new bicyclists see other people behaving badly, they don't mimic the behavior. they stop bicycling. it is important we go about it in a conscious way. what we've been doing to date hasn't been as effective as we would like. we need something more thoughtful that has the carrot and the stick. in a public way & intentional weigh so we can explain what we're doing and why.
i think we have the data to do that. >> so on the other topics, i'll try to be brief. brief. you said infrastructure is the key. that is one of the two take-home points i got from the two presentations. and we see evidence of real sort of concentration of the injury-accidents on market street. we talked about this before. i know there are other projects in the pipeline. i'll try to make it a simple question: do you think the closure of market street to private vehicles or the relative closure of market street to private vehicles, would significantly alleviate those injury accidents? >> i do believe so. we see in the pilot efforts of lowering the number of car use at certain intersections, like 10th and 6th, you've seen not only more people biking and walking, but fewer collisions between motorists and peekinpeople walking and biking.
>> that adds to the list of reason to look at the market street as for safety, which is another one. that chart is very compelling. the second take-away i had is that you said the danish people said they have five-fold bike rentals, and everything says more people are biking. i heard from you over lunch, i wish there were more parking spaces. but i really haven't heard anything else. are we, as an agency, learning from the danes and preparing or at least catching up to this biking onslaught with proper parking spaces? >> our program is request-driven. it is one of our great hopes we can get to a place where we're more proactive. instead of answering requests right now, we're overwhelmed with requests. we're trying to get out there as quickly as we can. we have one planner who works on this program, and
in livable streets, and it is really a funding question. that one position is able to meet or almost meet the demand, but not able to get into proactive mode. so we have two efforts under way. one is a strategy for long-term bike parking that we're doing over the next six months, and our other one is the bike transit integration, which is going to address bike parking. beyond that, we would love to get into the proactive mode. we think we've been able to grow bicycle parking, and we've almost caught uf, post-injunction with all of the requests, but there is just a lot more we could be doing, and we're really taking v.of -- advantage of every last dime to do that work. we're kind of at our limit, and our limit is just keeping up with requests. >> and i suppose part of that would be collaborating with businesses, if it is really true that biking costumers spend more money
than driving costumers. maybe businesses would have a reason to fund their own parking. >> we're trying to make it easier for them to do that. >> my final question, and i'm sorry for taking such a long time, but something that you said gave me an idea. i have biked from my house to work before. there is just know way it is as efficient as taking the metro, so i will continue to take the metro. i'm sure that makes mr. hayley happy. the interesting thing about muni riders, unlike going to a giants' game and going out into the public and trying to convince people to change their commute from whatever they're doing to biking, a muni rider, you know where that person starts and you have a pretty good idea about where they stop. i just wonder if we, not to take away from our muni traffic, but if people would rather bike and they lower traffic, if identified those stops and
those areas where our muni riders would have a good and efficient biking alternative, and targeted those stops and routes just to let people know, hey, you're riding this bike as -- you know, ed rides to work every morning, and he could take a bike and say here is how you can ride a bike to work and it would be really easy. we have sort of a known quantity at the bus stop. i just wonder if just telling people the routes that exist, especially as we build them, and how they're flat and have safety designs, just so people know there is the biking alternative. that might encourage more people to take their bike. >> one more question -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i'm really disappointed to see that market and octavia still leads the
list after all of the efforts. it used to be cars turning east -- is that what it is now, still? it seems like it is harder to do, for sure. >> it is right hooks, so it is illegal right hooks, is what is happening. so right-hook collision is where the bicyclist is going straight and the motorist is going straight in front of them, and there is a broadside. yes, turning right illegally on to the freeway there. that's the issue, and there is probably -- there is probably a handful of things that are left that we could try, short of getting rid of that separated bikeway, and enforcing bicyclists to get back into mixed flow. we have in our c.i.p. money, now, for the first time, for spot improvements, a dedicated stream that will come from prop "k" and other places, to deal with our tric trickiest
>> what we see out there in terms of raw numbers isn't telling us the full story. the near misses and the conflicts, and the road rage that results from that location is extremely challenging for us. our oakenfeld project -- you'll see it next month, and it does focus on those three blocks, going in each direction. but we also note we're on track to already have over a million bicyclists ride past that spot this year. which beats where we were last year. so we know that bicycling is extremely popular and growing. and short of closing one of those driveways, into the gas station, which is difficult, we have to just keep trying different things and new approaches to the design. because it is clearly a
location, where whatever we do there will have a huge benefit because of the pure number of people bicycling past there. >> it's a very tough area. >> yes. >> be careful. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, both leah and cheryl. i want to reiterate a couple of things, and malcolm, i didn't mean to jump on you, but i'm sensitive to the fact we don't want to put the onus on the bike coalition. >> the next time you come after me, ring the bell. >> i want to remind everybody we spend 60 to 70 years en kun encouraging people to drive their cars. there aren't a lot of people you find who are frightened to drive a car in san francisco. they may hate it, but they're not frightened by it. but we have people who are
frightened to ride a bike in san francisco. we put a lot of time, a lot of money, and a lot of street space into encouraging cars. now we need to take some of that time, money, and street space, and put it towards transit and put it towards bicycles. it is going to take us a little while. we're at 3.5%, and we could probably expect a 10%, 15% boost when we get our bike share. >> in the location where we do it. >> where we put it. >> so if there were city-wide, we would still only be at 13% or 18.5%, and we need to get to 20% of trips. i'm hoping that we have roadmap that is available or that's under discussion, or that's in the planning stages of how we're going to get to that 20%.
we have transit lanes where they're okay for taxis. technically, it seems that bikes aren't supposed to be in that transit lane. and every time my husband goes to work he rides to work on mission street. it sounds like we may be leaving our cyclists in a legally transit position, by not specifically saying bikes are okay. it is totally unclear to me what the legal position of the city should be around those transit lanes. are taxis really allowed in them under the california vehicle code? could we legally allow bicycles in them under the california vehicle code. our rapid bus network doubled up on a lot of bike routes. i know we did get -- i got the memo, thank you -- on sustainable street division on post and sutter, and where we need to go with bikes and transit. but we do need to figure that out. we, even more quickly than
that, need to figure out what is the cyclists legal position. for me, that's an extremely personal position, because i ride them, and people i know and love ride them, and i don't want to hear about a cyclist being injured and being told they have no recourse because they're not legally allowed in that lane. it is an odd situation.roadmap t easier to get a roadmap to get to that 20%. >> thank you very much. any public members? >> yes, you have link electronics, inc. model number: pdr-885 software version: 3.0c
i think that would be a good way of ensuring a safe bicycling. and the thing is once -- one thing that does happen when bicyclists get injured, i'm sure a lot of them have gone through the red deer. red light. some driver is probably driving under the influence and you have a collision. that's one aspect of going through the red light. i think it is very important to do this for the safety of pedestrians, and also for the bicyclists as well. yes, i think some regulation is in order so you do have a mutual
respect for the pedestrian, the bicyclists, the motorist, and the transit driver who might collide with the bicycle. i think it is very encouraging. i think the danish example is good. because in denmark, i'm sure there is a respect for pedestrians. i would like to compliment council member cheryl because i've seen her walk the bicycle on the sidewalk. i'm sure she obeys the laws. what i would like to see diminished is when buys bicyclists go through the red light, and they make aan obscene gesture and told where to go. i've seen where bicyclists are dragged from their
bikes and beaten up by irate pedestrians. and we want to put a stop to that. >> thank you. this is followed by robin brasso. >> good afternoon, board, my name is dennis valins. i'm a bicyclist here in san francisco who happens to make my living driving a cab. it gives me a unique perspective because i'm able to see two sides of the issue. one, when i'm on my way to work, or when i'm going to see a show, or the other side, when i'm at work. there are three areas i would like to talk about and some ideas that i have to improve safety. the first is market and octavia, which was mentioned earlier. it is an accident waiting to happen the way it is set up now. an idea i've always had, which i thought would be really cool, which reminds me of some things they do in davis, with signage, is a long, gradual, sloping